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   <title><![CDATA[Navy Redesigning Its Subs to Accommodate Women : Well, I do not disagree with you....]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://RontiniSubmarineBBS.com/member_profile.asp?PF=41">Dr. Stan</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3968<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Apr 2017 at 7:52pm<br /><br /><font size="3">Well, I do not disagree with you.&nbsp; Further, I would not consider realistic restrictions or prerequisites to be either arbitrary or unreasonable.&nbsp; But the gender police would.&nbsp; And they have been making those decisions for the military for a number of years now.&nbsp; All in the name of gender equality.&nbsp; As long as that kind of political correctness continues so will the ensuing nonsense continue.<br><br></font>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Navy Redesigning Its Subs to Accommodate Women :   Dr. Stan wrote:  610ET wrote:Instead...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://RontiniSubmarineBBS.com/member_profile.asp?PF=37">610ET</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3968<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Apr 2017 at 6:39pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Dr. Stan" alt="Originally posted by Dr. Stan" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Dr. Stan wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by 610ET" alt="Originally posted by 610ET" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>610ET wrote:</strong><br /><br /><font size="3"><br>Instead of doing all that why not simply have a minimum height/reach requirement?</font><br></td></tr></table><br><br><font size="3">For the simple reason that such requirements would expose the hypocrisy of the politically correct meme that gender equality means equality in all aspects, while ignoring the obvious and self evident physical and strength differences.</font><br><br><br></td></tr></table><br><br><font size="3">Aren't there already minimum height restrictions to even get into the military? Why would it then be arbitrary to have additional requirements depending on platform? Astronauts and jet pilots come to mind. They can't exceed spec height because they wouldn't be able to fit. Is it not the same thing here, i.e. the member must be able to fit in and operate in their chosen environment?<br><br>I seem to recall reading that of of the first two groups of female 1120's only one or two elected to continue on in submarines when their tours were up? If this is true then why bother?</font><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://RontiniSubmarineBBS.com/member_profile.asp?PF=41">Dr. Stan</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3968<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Apr 2017 at 1:49pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by 610ET" alt="Originally posted by 610ET" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>610ET wrote:</strong><br /><br /><font size="3"><br>Instead of doing all that why not simply have a minimum height/reach requirement?</font><br></td></tr></table><br><br><font size="3">For the simple reason that such requirements would expose the hypocrisy of the politically correct meme that gender equality means equality in all aspects, while ignoring the obvious and self evident physical and strength differences.</font><br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Quote" alt="Quote" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <font size="3">Gender success should not be the focus of this issue, as the Marines hinted was the reason they have delayed enforcing the equal standard. Mission success must be the number one priority, as the military’s purpose cannot be skewed by attempts at social engineering. Believe it or not, our national security depends on these standards that ensure mission success. We must maintain the most lethal and elite military in the world by meeting a mission standard, not a gender standard. It doesn’t matter if you are a man or a woman. A standard is a standard.<br><br>The mission standard of these critical and vital units must not be lowered to meet the needs of females. If women are able to meet the physical standards required of the position, then good for them. They should then be granted every opportunity that a man is offered. But do not expect to have that opportunity without being able to toe-the-line with men.&nbsp; You’re going to have to on the battlefield anyway. The mission isn’t any less demanding because women are suddenly trying to accomplish it.<br><br><a href="http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/05/gender-equality-a-double-standard-for-women-in-the-military/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/05/gender-equality-a-double-standard-for-women-in-the-military/</a></font><br><br></td></tr></table><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Dr. Stan - 30 Apr 2017 at 1:50pm</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://RontiniSubmarineBBS.com/member_profile.asp?PF=37">610ET</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3968<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Apr 2017 at 12:56pm<br /><br /><br>Instead of doing all that why not simply have a minimum height/reach requirement?<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://RontiniSubmarineBBS.com/member_profile.asp?PF=20">Gil</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3968<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Apr 2017 at 8:55pm<br /><br />Biggest surprise to me is a submarine is going to take the name of the&nbsp; USS New Jersey.&nbsp; Something just seems wrong about that, but I guess by 2021 there won't be many around that remember the battleship.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://RontiniSubmarineBBS.com/member_profile.asp?PF=36">Tom McNulty</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3968<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Apr 2017 at 9:44am<br /><br />If they lowered any overhead valves in my day I'd be scalped. I'm glad I served when I did and today's submarine force is what it is. <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://RontiniSubmarineBBS.com/member_profile.asp?PF=62">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3968<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Apr 2017 at 8:19am<br /><br /><p style=": white; margin: 25px 0px 10px;"><span style='margin: 0px; color: rgb51, 51, 51; text-trans: uppercase; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 14pt;'>NavyRedesigning Its Submarines to Accommodate Women</span></p><p style=": white; margin: 0px 0px 17px;"><span style="margin: 0px;"><span style="margin: 0px; color: rgb102, 102, 102; font-size: 10.5pt;">Associated Press</span></span><span style="margin: 0px; color: rgb102, 102, 102; font-size: 10.5pt;"> <span style="margin: 0px;">|</span> <span style="margin: 0px;">19 Apr 2017</span> <span style="margin: 0px;">|</span> <span style="margin: 0px;">by Jennifer Mcdermott</span></span></p><p style=": white; margin: 0px 0px 17px;"><span style='margin: 0px; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 13.5pt;'>PROVIDENCE, R.I. — Every submarine in the U.S. fleet wasdesigned with the height, reach and strength of men in mind, from the wayvalves are placed to how display screens are angled.</span></p><p style=": white; margin: 0px 0px 17px;"><span style='margin: 0px; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 13.5pt;'>That's going to change.</span></p><p style=": white; margin: 0px 0px 17px;"><span style='margin: 0px; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 13.5pt;'>With women now serving aboard submarines, defense contractorElectric Boat is designing what will be the first Navy subs built specificallyto accommodate female crew members.</span></p><p style=": white; margin: 0px 0px 17px;"><span style='margin: 0px; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 13.5pt;'>The designers are doing the obvious things, such as addingmore doors and washrooms to create separate sleeping and bathing areas for menand women and to give them more privacy. But they are also making more subtlemodifications that may not have been in everyone's periscope when the Navyadmitted women into the Silent Service.</span></p><p style=": white; margin: 0px 0px 17px;"><span style='margin: 0px; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 13.5pt;'>For example, they are lowering some overhead valves andmaking them easier to turn, and installing steps in front of the triple-highbunk beds and stacked laundry machines.</span></p><p style=": white; margin: 0px 0px 17px;"><span style='margin: 0px; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 13.5pt;'>The first vessel built with some of the new features isexpected to be delivered to the Navy in 2021, the future USS New Jersey.</span></p><p style=": white; margin: 0px 0px 17px;"><span style='margin: 0px; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 13.5pt;'>The Navy lifted its ban on women on submarines in 2010,starting with officers. About 80 female officers and roughly 50 enlisted womenare now serving on subs, and their numbers are expected to climb into thehundreds over the next few years.</span></p><p style=": white; margin: 0px 0px 17px;"><span style='margin: 0px; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 13.5pt;'>For now, the Navy is retrofitting existing subs with extradoors and designated washrooms to accommodate women. But Electric Boat inGroton, Connecticut, is at work on a redesign of the Navy's Virginia-classfast-attack subs and is also developing a brand-new class of ballistic-missilesubmarines, relying on body measurements for both men and women.</span></p><p style=": white; margin: 0px 0px 17px;"><span style='margin: 0px; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 13.5pt;'>"We have a clean sheet of paper, so from the ground up,we'll optimize for both men and women," said Brian Wilson, Electric Boatdirector of the new ballistic-missile sub program.</span></p><p style=": white; margin: 0px 0px 17px;"><span style='margin: 0px; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 13.5pt;'>Electric Boat officials had no immediate estimate of howmuch the modifications will cost.</span></p><p style=": white; margin: 0px 0px 17px;"><span style='margin: 0px; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 13.5pt;'>As anyone who watches war movies knows, submariners are alwaysturning valves, whether to operate machinery, redistribute water between tanksor isolate part of a system that has been damaged.</span></p><p style=": white; margin: 0px 0px 17px;"><span style='margin: 0px; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 13.5pt;'>On the Columbia-class boats, valves will generally be placedlower, Wilson said. Sometimes there will be an extension handle, and some willbe easier to turn. Sailors will be able to connect their masks into theemergency air system at the side of passageways, instead of overhead.</span></p><p style=": white; margin: 0px 0px 17px;"><span style='margin: 0px; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 13.5pt;'>Emergency air masks are being moved on fast-attacksubmarines, too, but the bulk of the changes on those subs are to ensureprivacy.</span></p><p style=": white; margin: 0px 0px 17px;"><span style='margin: 0px; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 13.5pt;'>Seats in the control room on the ballistic-missilesubmarines will adjust forward a little more so everyone can touch each displayand reach every joystick. Steps will be added so shorter people can climb intothe top bunk or see into the washers and dryers, since clothes that get stuckin the machines are a fire hazard.</span></p><p style=": white; margin: 0px 0px 17px;"><span style='margin: 0px; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 13.5pt;'>The first Columbia-class ballistic-missile sub is scheduledto join the fleet in 2031.</span></p><p style=": white; margin: 0px 0px 17px;"><span style='margin: 0px; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 13.5pt;'>At 5-foot-6, Lt. Marquette Leveque, one of the first womento serve on a submarine, said that she didn't have any trouble reaching valvesand other equipment but that the ergonomic changes will be helpful for shortercrewmates.</span></p><p style=": white; margin: 0px 0px 17px;"><span style='margin: 0px; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 13.5pt;'>Leveque was assigned to a compartment with two other femaleofficers on the USS Wyoming. They shared a washroom with male officers. A signon the door could be flipped to show whether a man or woman was using it.</span></p><p style=": white; margin: 0px 0px 17px;"><span style='margin: 0px; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 13.5pt;'>With so few women on board, the timesharing worked, shesaid. But with more on the way, the need for separate spaces is greater, she added.</span></p><p style=": white; margin: 0px 0px 17px;"><span style='margin: 0px; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 13.5pt;'>"Privacy is important anywhere you are," she said."We live on this boat, as well as work there."</span></p><p style="margin: 0px;"><span style='margin: 0px; font-family: "Arial",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;'>&nbsp;</span></p>]]>
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