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    Posted: 21 Jul 2017 at 2:52pm
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/07/21/uss-fitzgerald-collision-crew-should-have-spoken-up-before-accident-official-says.html
Seems two different tracking parties should have at least mentioned the possibility of a pending collision. Now, were they that afraid of the command that they held their tongues? If so, why?
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This is what happens when you have an all volunteer navy. You get the undereducated, unemployed, unwashed undesirables. Not a bright light to be found. Gawd knows what is happening to the quality and qualifications of the submarine force.

I volunteered during the Korean war because there was a draft which ultimately would have gotten me, most likely into the marines. Four years with hot food and a real bunk was a lot better to me than two sleeping in a foxhole and maybe getting killed. Then once I was there and I found out that I qualified for sub school and 50% more pay I volunteered again.

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I do not care what the main stream media says. We need to wait until the investigation is complete!

Quote We are in the early stages of the investigation process to develop a comprehensive picture of what caused the collision and do not have any definitive information to release at this time. It is premature to speculate on causation or any other issues. Once we have a detailed understanding of the facts and circumstances, we will share those findings with the Fitzgerald families, our Congressional oversight committees and the general public.

http://navylive.dodlive.mil/2017/07/21/u-s-navy-statement-on-uss-fitzgerald-investigation/
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Originally posted by atozdbf atozdbf wrote:

This is what happens when you have an all volunteer navy. You get the undereducated, unemployed, unwashed undesirables.


It is obvious that you never served in the all volunteer military.
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>This is what happens when you have an all volunteer navy. You get the undereducated, unemployed, unwashed undesirables.

As opposed to the educated, employed, washed desirables in an all-draftee Navy?
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Originally posted by atozdbf atozdbf wrote:

This is what happens when you have an all volunteer navy. You get the undereducated, unemployed, unwashed undesirables. Not a bright light to be found. Gawd knows what is happening to the quality and qualifications of the submarine force.



redacted , but I sure would like to say it.


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Originally posted by gerry gerry wrote:

>This is what happens when you have an all volunteer navy. You get the undereducated, unemployed, unwashed undesirables.

As opposed to the educated, employed, washed desirables in an all-draftee Navy?

AMEN!!   However, I believe that the selection process would have likely screened out the undereducated, unemployed, unwashed undesirables (aka, deplorables) both before and after the end of the draft. 

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Quote "The Sailors aboard today are among our nation's finest," said Capt. McCormack, (Commanding Officer CVN 78). "They are talented, driven, innovative, dedicated, and passionate about what they do and I am very proud to be their commanding officer. Team Wolverine, I have the utmost faith and confidence in your abilities to handle any challenge ahead, and I can think of no better team to take this ship to sea."

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Quote You get the undereducated, unemployed, unwashed undesirables. Not a bright light to be found.
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Not agreeing with some of the comments, but being realistic, you expected the Commanding Officer to express any other opinion of his crew than favorable in the light of it being made in public?
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