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    Posted: 23 Aug 2017 at 4:38pm
Just responding to the good Commanders slight on my family....
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I see a lot of animosity here, on both sides, on both sides Wink



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Originally posted by SaltiDawg SaltiDawg wrote:

Originally posted by smiley smiley wrote:

I would have thought by now that the Navy would follow suit with SEALs, The Air Rorce and Army and have one color for all ranks. .. My Dad was a Mustang Lt Col. when he retired.During a tour of my boat during a family day back in 71 or so,  he noticed the different color dolphins our crew were wearing. On the way home He made a very typical Army vs Navy comment about Naval Officers and we both had a good laugh..I wish I could remember the comment but it had something to do with royality and plush lifestyles..The Army/Navy rivalry seemed to be more intense with the WW2 and Korea Army veterans I knew back then....Broke my Dad's heart when I got Drafted and went Navy LOL.


Your Dad was a Mustang Lcol and you earned your Dolphins?

And you and he thought that the Officer and Enlisted Submarine Qualifications were/are identical?

I was an Enlisted man that Retired as a Commander and served as Qualification Officer on Trepang, in part because I also served on Pargo and Bergall, including qualifying on Pargo. (All three short hulled SSN-637 Class boats.

I'd love to chat with your Dad and explain that he seemingly doesn't know his butt from a hole in the ground about Submarine Officer/Enlisted Quals - and I'd bring up the fact that I know virtually nothing about Officer/Enlisted Seal Quals.  Did he mention anything about SWO or Aviation Quals and insignia?

Was he a Seal, or just talks a lot about programs that he knows nothing about?

Lets see there are a few ways I could respond to you sarcasm. First of all My Dad who was a two war  decorated combat infantry veteran and always enjoyed throwing puns at his fellow Navy Veterans at the local VFW. They earned that right. He passed away in 2000 so you will have to arrainge your own meeting with him.
His question was why the color difference?? Not what is involved ..He know the Quals programs were tough.. He wondered why in all the other services besides the Coast Guard  qual devices were silver for all ranks. A good question. He had a funny guess as to why. He also held Navy officers in a different light but respected all services.
It's obvious that you don't know me. I have been a member of Ron's BBS since 2004 or so. Only recently reactivated my membership here. 

Soooo! you also wouldn't know like others on this BBS do, is that my oldest Son is a Senior Chief SEAL with 25 years service. He's been a member of DEVGRU  (what some mistakenly call Team 6) since 1997 and was boots on the ground in Afghanistan 6 days post 9/11.. He has well over 15 deployments from Somialia, Iraq and Bosnia as well as Afghan land under his belt and is a qualified pilot. (Flying Chief)..DEVGRU has it's own planes and pilots.  So I quess that I do not know much about SEALs. That or the dozen or so that I knew well who have given their full measure. 
He has turned down LDO and Warrent to maintain his flying status on the Team. And there is no Master Chief Billet in where he is now. So what do you know about SEALs??? I would love to set you straight on what you don't know. BUt I see you already know everything already.

Now you are right about my Dad knowing nothing about SWO or Aviation Quals etc. But he was damn proud of his Grandson. And he knew a little something about combat as well as my Son does..Something you and I know jack sh*t about.

I will say this about you .. It seems that from reading your post you were one of those know it all, jumps to conclusions without facts lifers that I would avoid at all costs, and as a result had me starting a short timers chain 1 year before my EAOS into CIVLANT..  I hold my service & and my dolphins close to my heart and have remained friends for over 40 years with many of my shipmates. I Had a few leaders who were major mentors to me while on the Boats that I will always hold dear to my heart. .
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Originally posted by Tom McNulty Tom McNulty wrote:

Question about Warrant Officers. Somewhere in my memory I thought that the WO1 was not considered a commissioned officer until made WO2. That may be back when the Navy had Commodores, just not sure.


Correct.

W1 was not a Presidential commission.
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Originally posted by smiley smiley wrote:

I would have thought by now that the Navy would follow suit with SEALs, The Air Rorce and Army and have one color for all ranks. .. My Dad was a Mustang Lt Col. when he retired.During a tour of my boat during a family day back in 71 or so,  he noticed the different color dolphins our crew were wearing. On the way home He made a very typical Army vs Navy comment about Naval Officers and we both had a good laugh..I wish I could remember the comment but it had something to do with royality and plush lifestyles..The Army/Navy rivalry seemed to be more intense with the WW2 and Korea Army veterans I knew back then....Broke my Dad's heart when I got Drafted and went Navy LOL.


Your Dad was a Mustang Lcol and you earned your Dolphins?

And you and he thought that the Officer and Enlisted Submarine Qualifications were/are identical?

I was an Enlisted man that Retired as a Commander and served as Qualification Officer on Trepang, in part because I also served on Pargo and Bergall, including qualifying on Pargo. (All three short hulled SSN-637 Class boats.

I'd love to chat with your Dad and explain that he seemingly doesn't know his butt from a hole in the ground about Submarine Officer/Enlisted Quals - and I'd bring up the fact that I know virtually nothing about Officer/Enlisted Seal Quals.  Did he mention anything about SWO or Aviation Quals and insignia?

Was he a Seal, or just talks a lot about programs that he knows nothing about?
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Question about Warrant Officers. Somewhere in my memory I thought that the WO1 was not considered a commissioned officer until made WO2. That may be back when the Navy had Commodores, just not sure.
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I would have thought by now that the Navy would follow suit with SEALs, The Air Rorce and Army and have one color for all ranks. .. My Dad was a Mustang Lt Col. when he retired.During a tour of my boat during a family day back in 71 or so,  he noticed the different color dolphins our crew were wearing. On the way home He made a very typical Army vs Navy comment about Naval Officers and we both had a good laugh..I wish I could remember the comment but it had something to do with royality and plush lifestyles..The Army/Navy rivalry seemed to be more intense with the WW2 and Korea Army veterans I knew back then....Broke my Dad's heart when I got Drafted and went Navy LOL.
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Wore my silvers (1960) until I earned my gold (1970).
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I wore my silver dolphins and patrol pin throughout my career in the US Army and was asked many times about them.  Usually my answer was followed by a question about Army submarines.  In fact, at my (& 50 others soldiers') retirement ceremony the General stopped and asked me what they were.

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The requirements for Gold & Silver dolphins are totally different, the main difference being required to qualify as OOD and In-Port Duty Officer.  I pinned on Silver in 1958 and wore them for 10 years until qualifying Gold in January of 1969. I went from ETC(SS) to Ensign in 1965. Spent 2 years on a DLG after commissioning and got questioned often about the the "wings" were for.
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