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I can add another "position" that as a planesman I was all too familiar with..( Broaching) lmao
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Thank you for
the advices. Sorry to be
so late for the replay. My daughter is
going to marry this weekend, so I don’t have enough chance to use our computer,
especially on non-wedding topics. Japanese Navy
seems to be much primer than US Navy, at least superficially, especially in the
field of universal science. For example,
we are not allowed to openly discuss the applied chemistry on submarine air
treatment, such as how carbon monoxide is removed from the submarine atmosphere. I was foolish
enough to address a letter sealed in a closed envelope to the official office
of the submariner Vice Admiral, not to his home address. He replied to me openly, in his hand writing
card, that he was not authorized to answer my questions. He seemed to show his secretary or orderly
that he had no intention to leak any information to a civilian whether it is classified
or not. As a father of an American Citizen, I have no
intention to inquire any submarine operation at all. If I have made a serious mistake, I want to
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Dear Sirs,
Thank you for
the advices.
Sorry to be
so late for the replay. My daughter is
going to marry this weekend, so I don’t have enough chance to use our computer,
especially on non-wedding topics. Japanese Navy
seems to be much primer than US Navy, at least superficially, especially in the
field of universal science. For example,
we are not allowed to openly discuss the applied chemistry on submarine air
treatment, such as how carbon monoxide is removed from the submarine atmosphere. I was foolish
enough to address a letter sealed in a closed envelope to the official office
of the submariner Vice Admiral, not to his home address. He replied to me openly, in his hand writing
card, that he was not authorized to answer my questions. He seemed to show his secretary or orderly
that he had no intention to leak any information to a civilian whether it is classified
or not. As a father of an American Citizen, I have no
intention to inquire any submarine operation at all. If I have made a serious mistake, I want to
be forgiven. |
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Hi Hiroshi,
No harm was done in asking, and neither the question nor the answers were classified (to my knowledge). The people here on this board, as all submariners worthy of the title, are very cautious about discussing submarine operations with *anyone* - for us, either you already know it (or should) or you don't (and probably shouldn't). Please don't take offense. You are welcome to ask questions, just be aware that not all may be answered. Take care, Gerry
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Dear Sirs, I
have been reading the Basic Enlisted Man’s
Submarine Textbook from 1961 NAVPERS 16160-B, as well as the Navy Supplement to
the DOD Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms. I was a little bit surprised by the broad-minded liberal generosity for the publication of
the once-classified information of the Navy, though they were declassified and
obsolete now. I have seen the modern diesel submarine in the condition of deck
awash or flooded down only two times.
They were seemed to be under Degaussing or Deperming
or magnetic measurements in the very calm sea. I know this condition is very critical to the submarine buoyancy,
unless it has the good old classical conning tower. My understanding is that if a mere small wave floods into the
fairwater structure above the water surface just only a little bit, it
increases the negative buoyancy and induces furthermore water flood into the
remaining fairwater structure, and falls into a vicious cycle. I
believe that the only negative tank can be used to control the buoyancy to keep
the depth of the submarine of this condition.
I think this condition in very dangerous to a modern submarine
without any conning tower, so modern submarines use this condition in only
limited situations, such as magnetic measurement or deperming in the tranquil
waters under appropriate supervision. I know this condition is not critical for an old boat with a water
tight conning tower situated above the main hull. However, this condition is still used for
modern submarines with no conning tower, at least in the limited conditions. The Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force
submarine museum of Kure: https://www.jmsdf-kure-museum.go.jp/en/ indicates the four basic condition of submarine, in Japanese
Language, including this condition, between surfaced and periscope depth. But no one there knows the correct English term. I would like to know that my understanding is correct or not. And if this kind of condition of the
submarine still has a name, I want to know the correct term in English. I don’t care its name is an official term or not. If I am making a huge big mistake, forgive me please. |
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Several of the things you just mentioned will not willingly be discussed here. Some of the things you mentioned may not be classified now, but probably were when most of us were on active duty. Many things I knew and did were classified, for example, and are not now, but I still won't discuss them. That may seem odd, but it's how they programmed us.
So, I cannot address whether your understanding of this is correct or not - this gets into operational procedures which I will not do. As far as the second question, the name of the status between periscope depth and surfaced, I think the best answer you got was from whalen (above): Decks Awash
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Pperhaps pre-commissioning, commissioned, decommissioned, stricken?
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Dear Mr. Brian
Flynn, I would like
to add one more status between your third and fourth of them. On 1 January
1947, USS Mingo (SS-261) decommissioned at Mare Island. She was transferred on loan
to Japan under the Military Assistance Program and renamed Kuroshio (SS-501) on
15 August 1955. Her initial role was as
a underwater training target for surface vessels. She continued to serve the Japanese Navy as
Kuroshio until decommissioned on 31 March 1966, and returned to US NAVY. |
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Dear Gerry Than you for your kind advise. Deck Awash is a little bit familiar word to
me, though I can’t find it in the U.S. NAVY DICTIONARY: Terms, Abbreviations,
& Acronyms. Like an old submarine underway with her deck
awash and only the conning tower is above the water: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rgGtfI2ckfs/TZHUyKOCT7I/AAAAAAAAEYY/iDA_b8KfN-U/s320/USS%2BTarpon%2B6.jpg Or, the
template periscope view of the diving submarine in a movie such as “Crimson
Tide”. Those were
all forward moving submarines, but all the modern Japanese submarines of the
third status that was between the surfaced and PD were standing still. A vertical depth scale was painted on the
sail. A couple of submariners were
carefully watching on the top of the sail, but none of them were wearing any life
vest at all. I think this
status of the modern submarine was not the same of the old submarine of the
Deck Awash status, but I am happy to know the most suitable term for it. Thank you
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