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    Posted: 20 Jan 2019 at 1:08pm
The term 'to land' a gun means to take it from the deck of a ship and put it ashore.  Thus 'to land' a deck gun from a submarine means to unbolt it from the foundation on board the boat and usually with a crane hoist it to the pier or to a lighter for transport ashore.  The opposite is to 'mount' a gun (ie: Argonaut had its 6 inch gun mounted shortly before commissioning. 

The term 'submarine deck gun' means a weapon of a major caliber (3 inches or greater) mounted on the deck of a submarine.  This precludes 'anti-aircraft' and 'anti-boat' heavy machine guns such as the Bofors 40 milimeter and the Orleikon 20 millimeter even if they were mounted on the main deck of a submarine.  This generally applies to US Naval usage.

These terms are, while not official, are so commonly used as to become accurate descriptions.

What was the last US Naval submarine to 'land its deck gun'? 

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LPSS 315 the Sealion, and I was the last person to qual as a loader. (wanted to qual further but she was decommissioned).
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Some decommissioned boats have yet to land their deck gun.


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You are correct.  For extra credit, the Sealion was the only boat to ever execute a particular landing exercise, what was it?

No decommed boat (memorials and museums) have their original deck guns.  They were landed prior to decommissioning.  At least according to some records I saw a number of years ago.

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I misstyped.  The deck guns on museum and memorial boats were installed after they were designated as museum/memorial boats.  The possibility exists that boats were decommissioned with their deck guns still aboard but removed later.

Sealion was the last commissioned US submarine to have an installed deck gun. 
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I'm not sure ANY  boat had its ORIGINAL Gun when they were decommissioned... if so, it would have been post-war boats, I  am pretty sure. 


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For extra credit, the Sealion was the only boat to ever execute a particular landing exercise, what was it?
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Post War the second Sealion had an Amphibious LVT on board for the Marines.  I really don't know much, if anything, about it. (My reading is focused on WWII Submarines in the Pacific)


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we had air stations all around the bridge for landing special forces .. they would lock out (very big trunk, I forget cap.) they would take regulators ands connect to ship air while waiting for whole force to get out and then they would swim in.  the sealion would have come in and landed her chin in the shallows to allow the swimmers only a very short distance to get ashore. 
 
 
we had a huge head, with a bunch of stools (I forget #) all lined up next to each other(no walls). forward torp room was very large, all the time I was aboard the berthing was anywhere one wanted.
 
too bed she was decomed. 
 
we got to shoot all the ammo we wanted off sand key.  any a person wanted, all you had to do is bring it up from storage.  we did so for four hours and barely made a dent.  took two days next to the tender to off load the total ammo.
 
I got to shoot the m14, m16, Thompson,45, deck gun ( I forgot designation) and 50 cal. I was beat carrying all topside, but made up for it in fun shooting.
 
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How about this?????

On the night of April 17, 1961, two landing craft with a CIA “operations officer” and five UDT frogmen entered the Bay of Pigs (Bahía de Cochinos) on the southern coast of Cuba. UDT men also embarked the USS Sea Lion (SS 315) at Mayport, Fla., and evidently were inserted near Havana to conduct harbor and beach reconnaissance. It has never been acknowledged that any U.S. advisors went ashore with their trained operatives.
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