Gardens on submarines
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Topic: Gardens on submarines
Posted By: Rontini
Subject: Gardens on submarines
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 8:56am
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Fresh Salad At Sea: Military Considers Gardens Aboard Subs Jennifer Mcdermott, Associated Press, July 5 NATICK, Mass.— When a Navy submarine goes to sea on a months-long voyage, the lettuce, tomatoes and other fresh fruits and vegetables on board run out in a week or two, forcing the crew to rely on canned, frozen or dehydrated products. But what if subs had their own gardens where food could be grown under lights? The U.S. military is testing out the idea by growing plants hydroponically — that is, with nutrient solution instead of soil — inside a 40-foot shipping container on dry land at a laboratory outside Boston. Engineering technician Don Holman, who grew up on a farm in Michigan before serving 30 years in the Navy, is running the $100,000 project at the Army's Natick Soldier Research, Development and Engineering Center. He said sailors have been asking for more produce. "When you give someone something they want, it improves their morale. And they perform better when morale is up," said Holman, who will present a technical report in September so the Navy can decide whether to attempt gardening beneath the sea. This is the second phase of the testing. Holman first tried to grow 83 varieties of fruits and vegetables to see which ones did best. The leafy greens and green onions thrived. Root vegetables did fairly well. Strawberries and rhubarb grew but probably wouldn't produce enough to make it worthwhile, Holman said. The cucumbers, on the other hand, were a mess. The vines climbed everywhere. And the large leaves on the zucchini plants blocked the lights. The tomato plants grew but didn't produce fruit because the lighting wasn't bright enough and the temperature was too low. ------------- Every increase in government authority is a decrease of the liberty of each citizen. |
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 10:54am
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In today's environment of grow it - smoke it I gotta hunch as to what else would be planted if this project works and moves on to sea. AtoZ |
Posted By: SaltiDawg
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 11:12am
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On a trip we never took any |
Posted By: FTGC(SS) Lane
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 11:44am
You never took potatoes, carrots or eggs? |
SaltiDawg wrote:Posted By: SaltiDawg
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 12:21pm
I said no "fresh" food. I should have said no "refrigerated" food. Sorry. No chill box on a "trip." - three SSNs. Always converted the reefer to a freeze box prior. Took eggs. Stowed in Diesel Room in the Bow Cmpt. on at least two of the three 637s. After 60+ days the eggs were mostly still good. Occasional bad one. Thus the notion of breaking them individually into bowl. Candidly, I don't remember about potatoes. But certainly not refrigerated.  |
Posted By: gcconnor1
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 2:55pm
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Do I remember that the eggs were coated with wax or something to keep the air from getting through the shell and spoiling the egg???? ------------- GC Connor EMC(SS)/LT USN Ret USS Ethan Allen(7) Holland Club WA2STJ |
Posted By: SaltiDawg
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 3:01pm
Not washing eggs allows them to stay fresh longer. Our eggs were still in the crates - only nature's coating. (Or however they are routinely shipped.) |
Posted By: Tom McNulty
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 3:39pm
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I had always heard that they were wax coated. Might have been a rumor but they did look shiny. ------------- SSBN599B,SSBN600B,SSBN611G USNR Beaumont, TX, USSVI Life Member Mid Atlantic Base Holland Club |
Posted By: FTGC(SS) Lane
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 3:58pm
Snuck up on ya!  On two Pascagoula built boats the bench lockers at the six man tables were set up for potatoes. The funny thing is I can't remember if my last boat, a Mare Island one, was like that. Eggs in the diesel. Ordered eggs over hard every breakfast. When I got scrambled I knew the next breakfast would have to be pancakes. Now back to the garden thing. I wonder have they considered how clean the atmosphere is while underway and how that might affect the results? |
Posted By: SaltiDawg
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 5:17pm
We always joked when on a Trip that "Commence Snorkeling" would have resulted in us eating nothing but eggs for a day or two. Funny, I remember where A Gang stowed a case of Kim Wipes on Trepang. Discovered it while Snorkeling along side the pier in Ft Lauderdale. No Shore Power, Reactor Shutdown. I was the ONLY Officer on Board. A Gang stowed them on top of the Diesel Exhaust. !@#$%. (Think Heavy Acrid Smoke and Fire In The Bow Compartment.) Lots of tales to tell about that hour or so. Glad the KOG nor NR nor anyone but us Duty Section was there... Nuke and Non-nuke. |
Posted By: PaulR
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 6:57pm
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http://www.cooksinfo.com/waxed-eggs" rel="nofollow - Waxed eggs.. ------------- Paul http://ss-407.net" rel="nofollow">  ETN2(SS) 63-67 |
Posted By: SaltiDawg
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 7:02pm
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Eggs that you buy at the Commissary are not "waxed." The ones I bought as the Supply Officer/Food Services Officer were not "waxed." Just saying. |
Posted By: gerry
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2016 at 7:00am
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I remember waxed eggs in 88 or so, when I was mess cranking. I dont think the eggs we got on the left coast were waxed. I do know what happens when an entire case of eggs (loaded aboard in 1989 prior to leaving the yards...) gets discovered in late 1990 and the discovering a-gang twat "accidentally"* drops the case maneuvering it to the fan room door. You get that reek and people gagging throughout the ship in about 3 seconds. Fan room was next to the COB's office. He was not impressed. Good times. *"Accidentally" because when the COB got to the fan room (far faster than the cuplrit could escape), the COB made note that the sailor in question already had an EAB on his person. Said sailor got a bit of extra duty out of it - fortunately for him, the Command Triad thought it was a good prank. Best CO/XO/COB combo I ever sailed with. That XO http://www.navy.mil/navydata/bios/navybio.asp?bioid=97" rel="nofollow - JJ Donnelly . ------------- MT2/SS USS Simon Bolivar - SSBN 641 (B) USS Henry M. Jackson - SSBN 730 (B) USSVI - Wyoming Base |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2016 at 12:15pm
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I knew ADM Donnelly's father, also John, as a LtJG on Toro. Saw him again at the Toro 50th Anniversary reunion at PNS, where she was built, in '94. Seems his dad went on to drive Alvin for the navy on many of its more famous exploits and then when the navy gave it to Woods Hole he retired and went to drive it for them. Seems that submarining runs in the family, AtoZ |