Official names of the four status of submarine
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Topic: Official names of the four status of submarine
Posted By: Guests
Subject: Official names of the four status of submarine
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 10:52pm
I
know there are four basic status of submarines. I want to know the official terms of them.
1) Completely
submerged. Everything is under the sea. Deep diving.
2) Periscope
depth. Everything is under the sea except for periscopes,
antennas for Radar ECM or Communications and snorkel.
3) Fairwater depth??? I want to know the official term of this status. I see a
submarine’s hull is totally under the sea, but major part of the sail is above
the water including sail planes. I often
observe this state of a submarine while degaussing in the calm water. I think MBTs may be fully flooded.
4) Surfacing.
Totally rises to the surface. All the
MBTs are filled with air.
I
want to know the official English terms to explain these four basic status of
submarines. I apologize if these terms
are classified, but I believe they are not.
I
don’t expect someone can understand Japanese here, but status number 3 is
called “浸洗状態” in Japanese.
I
would appreciate it very much if someone would tell me those terms, especially the
status number 3.
Thank
you in advance.
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Replies:
Posted By: Hagar
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2016 at 12:41am
I would suggest you find a Japanese submarine officer to discuss this with.
hagar
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2016 at 2:52am
I tried first, however, the Japanese submariner admiral, a friend of mine, said that he
did not have an authorization to inform English translations to me. So I asked in this BBS.
Help me, please, or those are classified information?
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Posted By: Sewer Pipe Snipe
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2016 at 5:25am
It is not known as the Silent Service for nothing. If an Admiral from your country won't share the information, what makes you even believe we would?
------------- Walt, Had I done everything right throughout my life, the World wouldn't have noticed.
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Posted By: JrKrup, Skimmer
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2016 at 9:32am
Hiroshi, please understand that we must - by necessity - be evasive with the answers to your questions. It's not that we don't want to share this information, we can't. Like the Japanese Admiral said, we are not authorized to share this information, therefore, we must remain silent. Sorry.
------------- Jon Krup, Skimmer - Minesweeps
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Posted By: GaryKC
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2016 at 10:56am
Hiroshi, the terms you're looking for no longer apply to modern boats. They leave port, submerge, patrol the depths, surface and return to port. http://science.howstuffworks.com/transport/engines-equipment/submarine.htm" rel="nofollow - http://science.howstuffworks.com/transport/engines-equipment/submarine.htm
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Posted By: oldsubs
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2016 at 1:41pm
The terms for these are not classified but are old and some are not in standard usage.
1. Fully submerged
2. Periscope depth
3. Flooded down. Modern submarines do not operate this way anymore. It was once a preparatory stage for diving and was used up until the mid 1950s Started out mainly as a means of diving quickly to avoid aircraft threats.
4. Surfaced
------------- Be Well Oldsubs
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Posted By: whalen
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2016 at 8:42pm
#3: decks awash
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Posted By: Sewer Pipe Snipe
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2016 at 7:22am
I for one have got to wonder why his friend, a Japanese Admiral, didn't provide this information to him? That is the question.
------------- Walt, Had I done everything right throughout my life, the World wouldn't have noticed.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2016 at 10:31am
Sewer Pipe Snipe wrote:
I for one have got to wonder why his friend, a Japanese Admiral, didn't provide this information to him? That is the question.
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That's because you're not Japanese.
BANZAI!
AtoZ
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Posted By: smiley
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2016 at 7:30am
I can add another "position" that as a planesman I was all too familiar with..( Broaching) lmao
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2016 at 4:07am
Thank you for
the advices.
Sorry to be
so late for the replay. My daughter is
going to marry this weekend, so I don’t have enough chance to use our computer,
especially on non-wedding topics.
Japanese Navy
seems to be much primer than US Navy, at least superficially, especially in the
field of universal science. For example,
we are not allowed to openly discuss the applied chemistry on submarine air
treatment, such as how carbon monoxide is removed from the submarine atmosphere.
I was foolish
enough to address a letter sealed in a closed envelope to the official office
of the submariner Vice Admiral, not to his home address. He replied to me openly, in his hand writing
card, that he was not authorized to answer my questions. He seemed to show his secretary or orderly
that he had no intention to leak any information to a civilian whether it is classified
or not.
As a father of an American Citizen, I have no
intention to inquire any submarine operation at all. If I have made a serious mistake, I want to
be forgiven.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2016 at 4:10am
Dear Sirs, Thank you for
the advices.
Sorry to be
so late for the replay. My daughter is
going to marry this weekend, so I don’t have enough chance to use our computer,
especially on non-wedding topics.
Japanese Navy
seems to be much primer than US Navy, at least superficially, especially in the
field of universal science. For example,
we are not allowed to openly discuss the applied chemistry on submarine air
treatment, such as how carbon monoxide is removed from the submarine atmosphere.
I was foolish
enough to address a letter sealed in a closed envelope to the official office
of the submariner Vice Admiral, not to his home address. He replied to me openly, in his hand writing
card, that he was not authorized to answer my questions. He seemed to show his secretary or orderly
that he had no intention to leak any information to a civilian whether it is classified
or not.
As a father of an American Citizen, I have no
intention to inquire any submarine operation at all. If I have made a serious mistake, I want to
be forgiven.
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Posted By: gerry
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2016 at 8:41am
Hi Hiroshi,
No harm was done in asking, and neither the question nor the answers were classified (to my knowledge). The people here on this board, as all submariners worthy of the title, are very cautious about discussing submarine operations with *anyone* - for us, either you already know it (or should) or you don't (and probably shouldn't). Please don't take offense.
You are welcome to ask questions, just be aware that not all may be answered.
Take care, Gerry
------------- MT2/SS USS Simon Bolivar - SSBN 641 (B) USS Henry M. Jackson - SSBN 730 (B) USSVI - Wyoming Base
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2016 at 9:00am
Dear
Sirs, I am very sorry for my double posts.
I
have been reading the Basic Enlisted Man’s
Submarine Textbook from 1961 NAVPERS 16160-B, as well as the Navy Supplement to
the DOD Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms. I was a little bit surprised by the broad-minded liberal generosity for the publication of
the once-classified information of the Navy, though they were declassified and
obsolete now.
I have seen the modern diesel submarine in the condition of deck
awash or flooded down only two times.
They were seemed to be under Degaussing or Deperming
or magnetic measurements in the very calm sea.
I know this condition is very critical to the submarine buoyancy,
unless it has the good old classical conning tower. My understanding is that if a mere small wave floods into the
fairwater structure above the water surface just only a little bit, it
increases the negative buoyancy and induces furthermore water flood into the
remaining fairwater structure, and falls into a vicious cycle. I
believe that the only negative tank can be used to control the buoyancy to keep
the depth of the submarine of this condition.
I think this condition in very dangerous to a modern submarine
without any conning tower, so modern submarines use this condition in only
limited situations, such as magnetic measurement or deperming in the tranquil
waters under appropriate supervision.
I know this condition is not critical for an old boat with a water
tight conning tower situated above the main hull. However, this condition is still used for
modern submarines with no conning tower, at least in the limited conditions.
The Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force
submarine museum of Kure:
https://www.jmsdf-kure-museum.go.jp/en/" rel="nofollow -
indicates the four basic condition of submarine, in Japanese
Language, including this condition, between surfaced and periscope depth. But no one there knows the correct English term.
I would like to know that my understanding is correct or not. And if this kind of condition of the
submarine still has a name, I want to know the correct term in English. I don’t care its name is an official term or not.
If I am making a huge big mistake, forgive me please.
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Posted By: gerry
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2016 at 9:35am
Several of the things you just mentioned will not willingly be discussed here. Some of the things you mentioned may not be classified now, but probably were when most of us were on active duty. Many things I knew and did were classified, for example, and are not now, but I still won't discuss them. That may seem odd, but it's how they programmed us.
So, I cannot address whether your understanding of this is correct or not - this gets into operational procedures which I will not do. As far as the second question, the name of the status between periscope depth and surfaced, I think the best answer you got was from whalen (above): Decks Awash
------------- MT2/SS USS Simon Bolivar - SSBN 641 (B) USS Henry M. Jackson - SSBN 730 (B) USSVI - Wyoming Base
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2016 at 1:52pm
Pperhaps pre-commissioning, commissioned, decommissioned, stricken?
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 12:28am
Dear Mr. Brian
Flynn,
I would like
to add one more status between your third and fourth of them.
On 1 January
1947, USS Mingo (SS-261) decommissioned at Mare Island. She was transferred on loan
to Japan under the Military Assistance Program and renamed Kuroshio (SS-501) on
15 August 1955. Her initial role was as
a underwater training target for surface vessels. She continued to serve the Japanese Navy as
Kuroshio until decommissioned on 31 March 1966, and returned to US NAVY.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 12:59am
Dear Gerry
Than you for your kind advise.
Deck Awash is a little bit familiar word to
me, though I can’t find it in the U.S. NAVY DICTIONARY: Terms, Abbreviations,
& Acronyms.
Like an old submarine underway with her deck
awash and only the conning tower is above the water:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rgGtfI2ckfs/TZHUyKOCT7I/AAAAAAAAEYY/iDA_b8KfN-U/s320/USS%2BTarpon%2B6.jpg" rel="nofollow -
Or, the
template periscope view of the diving submarine in a movie such as “Crimson
Tide”.
Those were
all forward moving submarines, but all the modern Japanese submarines of the
third status that was between the surfaced and PD were standing still. A vertical depth scale was painted on the
sail. A couple of submariners were
carefully watching on the top of the sail, but none of them were wearing any life
vest at all.
I think this
status of the modern submarine was not the same of the old submarine of the
Deck Awash status, but I am happy to know the most suitable term for it.
Thank you
again.
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