Interesting article on Ivy Bells
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Posted By: gerry
Subject: Interesting article on Ivy Bells
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2017 at 2:27pm
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/security/a25857/operation-ivy-bells-underwater-wiretapping/" rel="nofollow - http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/security/a25857/operation-ivy-bells-underwater-wiretapping/ Secrets haunt the still-classified Operation Ivy Bells, a daring Cold War wiretapping operation conducted 400 feet underwater.Yep. So still-classified, only Popular Mechanics can bring you the story! ------------- MT2/SS USS Simon Bolivar - SSBN 641 (B) USS Henry M. Jackson - SSBN 730 (B) USSVI - Wyoming Base |
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Posted By: Dr. Stan
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2017 at 5:44pm
True, but only 19 years after it was previously exposed in Blind Man's Bluff.  ------------- It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues.~Abe Lincoln SS-393, SSBN-610(B), SSBN-624(G), SSN-591 USSVI Life Member; Holland Club; Plank Owner, Smoky Mtn. Base |
gerry wrote:Posted By: gerry
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2017 at 5:52pm
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I'll admit I read BMB and was entertained by it. I obviously do not condone the release of things like that, and even this Popular Mechanics article leaves a bad taste. Like you, I just had it DRILLED into me to not speak of things, even thengs that are no longer classified, ever. At least they get enough wrong to make it sadly humorous. Want a kick? http://imgur.com/a/xi3P3" rel="nofollow - Here is an album of 100+ Typhoon images, many of which I hadn't seen before. Many of which would have been classified not so long ago. Even got pics of the Typhoon reactor compartment. At least this time around, it's somebody else's boat getting leaked.
------------- MT2/SS USS Simon Bolivar - SSBN 641 (B) USS Henry M. Jackson - SSBN 730 (B) USSVI - Wyoming Base |
Posted By: Dave595
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2017 at 9:58am
| Your link is broken. Is there another one to these pictures? |
Posted By: gerry
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2017 at 11:40am
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Weird. It got an extra space in it. - Link fixed in above post - Included here just in case: http://imgur.com/a/xi3P3 ------------- MT2/SS USS Simon Bolivar - SSBN 641 (B) USS Henry M. Jackson - SSBN 730 (B) USSVI - Wyoming Base |
Posted By: Sewer Pipe Snipe
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2017 at 11:52am
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After a certain amount of years some folks got a reminder letter that they are released of their security obligations in all matters except those related to National security. Without mention of what those unreleased matters might be. So I guess it is best not to discuss such things. As I have said before, many secrets go to the grave every year. ------------- Walt, Had I done everything right throughout my life, the World wouldn't have noticed. |
Posted By: Dr. Stan
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2017 at 6:44pm
I guess the writer of the below snippet never heard of the USS Nautilus (SSN-571), the first nuclear submarine or the USS George Washington (SSBN-598) the first nuclear ballistic missile submarine, or any of the later class boats. Larger does not mean better. I would take an American made submarine over a Russian submarine of any type or class anytime. For safety, reliability and operational capacity there is nothing better than "made in the USA".
------------- It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues.~Abe Lincoln SS-393, SSBN-610(B), SSBN-624(G), SSN-591 USSVI Life Member; Holland Club; Plank Owner, Smoky Mtn. Base |
Posted By: 610ET
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2017 at 5:54pm
Akula's were SSN's not SSBN's??? |
Posted By: gerry
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2017 at 7:16pm
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Great question, actually. We're talking about two different designators here. One is the NATO designator, with which all of us are familiar, the other is what the Russians themselves call their sub classes. The Project 941 boats (their "project" is like our "class"), of which six were built, was designated by NATO as "Typhoon". The Russians designated them "Akula" (it means "shark"). Meanwhile, the Russians also manufactured a SSN in the same era, which NATO designated the "Akula", and the Russians called "Shchuka" (meaning "pike"). This was Project 971. Clear as mud? If there is interest, I can compile a list of all known Russian nuclear submarine classes with NATO and Russian designators. ------------- MT2/SS USS Simon Bolivar - SSBN 641 (B) USS Henry M. Jackson - SSBN 730 (B) USSVI - Wyoming Base |
Posted By: 610ET
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2017 at 7:46pm
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Interesting explanation. I always wondered why we don't just call them what they are? Too easy? |