USS Ling
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Topic: USS Ling
Posted By: steve
Subject: USS Ling
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2017 at 8:13pm
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Posted By: Sewer Pipe Snipe
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2017 at 1:33pm
Unless one of us has some access to a really big Foundation, with deep pockets, there isn't much we can do. No one wants to foot the bill for her, and somewhere a decision will be made as to who is responsible for her disposal or salvage. I would assume a bankruptcy filing would shortly follow.
------------- Walt, Had I done everything right throughout my life, the World wouldn't have noticed.
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Posted By: Dr. Stan
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2017 at 3:31pm
Somebody, and I have absolutely no idea who that somebody would be, is going to get stuck with a multi-million dollar bill for this debacle. But, I will point out it is not the submariner's fault that the sponsor went broke or the river filled with silt thereby physical marooning the boat.
------------- It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues.~Abe Lincoln SS-393, SSBN-610(B), SSBN-624(G), SSN-591 USSVI Life Member; Holland Club; Plank Owner, Smoky Mtn. Base
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Posted By: Dave595
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 4:52pm
Copy of E-Mail sent out to Blueback Base Members. As of today, 19 June 2017, $1,465 has been raised on this go fund me page. - - - - - - - Friends and Shipmates, As Editor of “Venting Sanitary Inboard” for the Blueback Base, I am
constantly searching the internet for articles of interest to include in our
Base newsletter. I recently discovered the following article https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/12/nyregion/submarine-hackensack-uss-ling.html?_r=0" rel="nofollow - outlining the plight
of USS Ling (SS-297), a World War II-era submarine owned by the Submarine
Memorial Association which runs the New Jersey Naval Museum in Hackensack, New
Jersey. Mired in the muddy bottom of
the Hackensack River and damaged by Hurricane Sandy, Ling became inaccessible
to the public and sadly, the museum was forced to close in 2012. Without
the revenues the museum generated from admission fees and charitable donations,
the Submarine Memorial Association does not have the funds to move her or to
restore her. Now, not only has the boat fallen into a serious state of
disrepair, she is in danger of being evicted from the berth she has occupied
since the early 1970s to make room for a large real estate development
project.
After reading this article I was overcome with a sense of profound
sadness over the fate of this once-proud boat and a sense of urgency to do
something to help. To that end, I have started a GoFundMe page to raise
funds to help restore USS Ling, and have made it my goal to reach out
personally to the point of contact for every Base in USSVI and ask each
one to share this story with its members in the hope that our fellow Shipmates
might consider helping with the preservation of this important piece of our
submarine heritage and maritime history. All contributions made through
the GoFundMe web site go directly to the Submarine Memorial Association
– a qualified 501(c) (3) organization – and all donations are fully
tax-deductible. Those who do not wish to contribute financially can
still help by sharing the Ling’s story with family, friends and colleagues via
email or on Facebook, Twitter, or other social media.
A link to the GoFundMe page to restore the USS Ling (SS-297) is
available https://www.gofundme.com/uss-ling" rel="nofollow - . I’ve
already had the great honor and pleasure of making the first contribution to
this effort; now, I challenge all of you to do the same! Pride
Runs Deep!
Green Board,
Alan
Alan C. Brodie
Lieutenant, U.S. Navy (Ret.)
------------- EM1(SS) USS PLUNGER (SSN-595) HOLLAND Club USSVI LIFE Member Blueback Base, Rogue-Umpqua Base, Olympic Peninsula Base
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Posted By: Runner485
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2017 at 6:32am
Here is an email I received this morning with some technical stuff as to the moving of the Ling.
I just got off the phone with Commander Ludwig, and we are in agreement on this. The
Ling will, in all likelihood, be scrapped in place. Moving it will
require dredging the Hackensack River. According to the EPA’s 2015
Preliminary Assessment, the Hackensack River contains elevated levels of
cadmium, lead, mercury, dioxin and PCBs in concentrations exceeding the
threshold levels for Superfund designation. The dredging would have to
pass through an existing Superfund site, Standard Chlorine Chemical
Company, and would pass within one mile of eight other Superfund sites
located along the river. The
boat has been closed since Superstorm Sandy destroyed its pier in 2012
and efforts to get permission to rebuild her pier have been
unsuccessful. Hull integrity has been compromised and the only reason
the vessel has not sunk is that it is mired in the mud. The
GoFundMe site mentioned in the message below has raised $465 (yes, that
is only four hundred sixty five dollars) since it was set up in
December of last year. Considering the Superfund budget for Standard
Chlorine Chemical remediation in place is $11 million, dredging the
Hackensack River to move the Ling could easily run into the hundreds of
millions if it could be permitted (which is not likely).
While
I echo shipmate Brodie’s sentiments that it will be a shame to lose the
Ling, there is virtually no chance that she can be saved. For this
reason, I cannot in all good conscience support this donation. Ron
------------- DBF Joe SS485,CVA42 Holland Club Mid-Atlantic Base
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2017 at 9:15am
Yet another problem exists. Ling still has her 252 thousand pound lead acid battery cells. I have no idea how the EPA and the state of NJ will respond to the prospects of removing them from this deteriorating hulk. I'm afraid their removal will cause numerous problems and scares.
As a long term member of the Ling team and the SMA I deeply mourn her and hope that her scrapping will be quick and problem free.
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Posted By: Dr. Stan
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2017 at 11:56am
Well, since the government, both federal and state, will be responsible for cleaning up this mess I predict that it will be neither quick nor problem free.
------------- It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues.~Abe Lincoln SS-393, SSBN-610(B), SSBN-624(G), SSN-591 USSVI Life Member; Holland Club; Plank Owner, Smoky Mtn. Base
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Posted By: Runner485
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2017 at 6:47am
Dr. Stan wrote:
Well, since the government, both federal and state, will be responsible for cleaning up this mess I predict that it will be neither quick nor problem free.
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You can bet your house on that Stan...
------------- DBF Joe SS485,CVA42 Holland Club Mid-Atlantic Base
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Posted By: GaryKC
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2017 at 8:25am
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Posted By: Dr. Stan
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2017 at 2:04pm
GaryKC wrote:
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Hey Joe, if I'm the good looking curmudgeon on the left that means you are the other good looking curmudgeon on the right. A remarkable resemblance, don'tcha think? Thanks and a tip of the hat to Sir Gary of KC!
BTW, there is absolutely no way I would ever bet my house, or anything else, for that matter, on the probability that a gummint agency would do the right thing in a timely and efficient, not to mention cost-effective, manner.
------------- It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues.~Abe Lincoln SS-393, SSBN-610(B), SSBN-624(G), SSN-591 USSVI Life Member; Holland Club; Plank Owner, Smoky Mtn. Base
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Posted By: GaryKC
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2017 at 2:57pm
If I may offer an example of my own fine tuned curmudgeon attitude. Nothing gripes my old ass more than, while watching a decent TV show (which are rare) to have the top 20% of the screen flashing and scrolling to tell me it's raining heavily a hundred and fifty miles away while the bottom 20% flashes and scrolls to tell me not to drive thru standing water on roads and that the smallest room in my house is safest during a tornado and to be sure to download the stations app to my cellphone or to make sure to call 911 if I see Amber while I'm sitting in my F**king Lazy-boy trying to F**king watch Jethro Gibbs save the F**king world!
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Posted By: SaltiDawg
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2017 at 8:44pm
So much for a discussion about the plight of the USS Ling.
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Posted By: Linville
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2017 at 1:21am
Sewer Pipe Snipe wrote:
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You're right.
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