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Topic: Is this still the Prototype?
Posted By: Sewer Pipe Snipe
Subject: Is this still the Prototype?
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2018 at 1:54pm
http://www.wcax.com/content/news/Barrel-ruptures-at-Idaho-nuclear-site-no-injuries-479537523.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.wcax.com/content/news/Barrel-ruptures-at-Idaho-nuclear-site-no-injuries-479537523.html


IDAHO FALLS, Idaho (AP) — The Latest on Idaho nuclear site incident (all times local):

10:20 a.m.

Federal officials say there are no injuries at a nuclear facility in eastern Idaho following the release of radioactive material from a ruptured 55-gallon (208-liter) barrel inside a containment structure.

The U.S. Department of Energy in a statement Thursday says the breach occurred late Wednesday at the 890-square-mile (2,305-square-kilometer) site that includes the Idaho National Laboratory.

Officials say the Idaho National Laboratory Fire Department responded to a fire alarm late Wednesday at the structure at the Idaho Cleanup Project's Radioactive Waste Management Complex.

The agency says the facility is designed with high-efficiency filters and no contamination has been detected outside.

Workers have been preparing stored waste at the isolated desert site about 55 miles (89 kilometers) west of Idaho Falls for shipment to a storage facility in New Mexico.



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Walt,
Had I done everything right throughout my life, the World wouldn't have noticed.



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Posted By: Dr. Stan
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2018 at 11:58am
Not a good situation, to say the least.  But, of considerably less danger and significance compared to the SL-1 accident.  When I got to S1-W in the first of January, 1963, they showed us a film about SL-1.  Since it had occurred exactly 2 years prior it was still fresh in the minds of many of the workers and instructors at S1-W.  So I heard a number of stories as well as lurid details of the deaths and ensuing contamination.

The SL-1 Reactor Accident
http://www.radiationworks.com/sl1reactor.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.radiationworks.com/sl1reactor.htm

SL1 Accident (1961)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOt7xDKxmCM&ytbChannel=ansatuofi" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOt7xDKxmCM&ytbChannel=ansatuofi





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It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues.~Abe Lincoln
SS-393, SSBN-610(B), SSBN-624(G), SSN-591
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Posted By: SaltiDawg
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2018 at 8:41pm

The moral is, "Believe your instruments!!!"


Posted By: Dr. Stan
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2018 at 11:51am
True.  One should always believe one's instruments.  But, it does help to have adequate instrumentation as well as operating equipment just a tad more sophisticated than a block and tackle. 


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It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues.~Abe Lincoln
SS-393, SSBN-610(B), SSBN-624(G), SSN-591
USSVI Life Member; Holland Club; Plank Owner, Smoky Mtn. Base


Posted By: Sewer Pipe Snipe
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2018 at 12:14pm
Hay, without the block and tackle there would never have been Super Critical Reactor AMan. Just saying!

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Walt,
Had I done everything right throughout my life, the World wouldn't have noticed.


Posted By: Palm Bay Ken
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2018 at 4:33pm
Super Critical Reactor AMan

When I went thru nuc school (Class 59-1) we were told that the A and M meant Auxillary Method.
Just saying.


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York County Public Schools/Virginia Beach City Public Schools/Retired


Posted By: Sewer Pipe Snipe
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2018 at 4:54pm
We were told it was an actual guy on Fermi's original pile at Soldier Field. Same guy that told us "Measure it with a Mike, mark it with Chalk, cut it with an Ax". 

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Walt,
Had I done everything right throughout my life, the World wouldn't have noticed.


Posted By: Flapper
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2018 at 8:35pm
http://https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scram" rel="nofollow - SCRAM  ... wiki article traces etymology of term if one scrolls down in link to left.

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ET1ss Nuke; 1962 - 1973. SSN-588, CVA-63, SSBN-629 BLUE, SSN-669 PLANKOWNER, FICPAC


Posted By: SaltiDawg
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2018 at 8:44pm
Originally posted by Dr. Stan Dr. Stan wrote:

True.  One should always believe one's instruments.  But, it does help to have adequate instrumentation as well as operating equipment just a tad more sophisticated than a block and tackle. 


The issue was not "adequate instrumentation" at compartment entry.  Two operators had pegged gamma detectors (AN/PDR-27s??) - they each and jointly concluded their respective meters were not read in properly!

Massive fuel rod ejections demonstrated otherwise.

You can view from the air the green outline of the core site.


Posted By: FTGC(SS) Lane
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2018 at 6:15am
All theses response yet not one that answered the question.
I guess a non-nuke has to step up and give an answer. Wink
No, Idaho Falls is no longer the Prototype. Ballston Spa NY and Charleston SC are the only sites now.



Posted By: jack mcpherson
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2018 at 7:45am
hey forklift gt a nuke to explain the difference between a SITE and a PROTOTYPE to you


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jack mcpherson


Posted By: FTGC(SS) Lane
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2018 at 7:57am
Actually the Navy nomenclature is: U.S. Navy Nuclear Power Training Unit Reactor Site.


Posted By: SaltiDawg
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2018 at 8:04pm
Originally posted by FTGC(SS) Lane FTGC(SS) Lane wrote:

All theses response yet not one that answered the question.
I guess a non-nuke has to step up and give an answer. Wink
...


Where was the question asked?  I guess I'm thick and missed it!


Posted By: Dr. Stan
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2018 at 8:32pm
Originally posted by SaltiDawg SaltiDawg wrote:


The issue was not "adequate instrumentation" at compartment entry.  Two operators had pegged gamma detectors (AN/PDR-27s??) - they each and jointly concluded their respective meters were not read in properly!



As a former RO, I was thinking of and referring to reactor monitoring and control instruments.  But, I take your point.  Those particular instruments are pretty important.   Especially if one wants to live to a ripe old age without glowing in the dark. 



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It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues.~Abe Lincoln
SS-393, SSBN-610(B), SSBN-624(G), SSN-591
USSVI Life Member; Holland Club; Plank Owner, Smoky Mtn. Base


Posted By: FTGC(SS) Lane
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2018 at 5:35am
Originally posted by SaltiDawg SaltiDawg wrote:

Where was the question asked?  I guess I'm thick and missed it!

Look at the subject line of the thread.


Posted By: jack mcpherson
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2018 at 8:01am
BTW forklift Ballston Spa is not and never has been  nuclear training site the site is located in West Milton hence he name NPTU West Milton and when I was an instructor there where two prototypes there


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jack mcpherson


Posted By: FTGC(SS) Lane
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2018 at 8:29am
Here you go Emmit:
http://www.navsea.navy.mil/Home/NPTU/New-York/" rel="nofollow - http://www.navsea.navy.mil/Home/NPTU/New-York/
West Milton is part of Balston Spa.


Posted By: Dantini
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2018 at 10:57am
When Ron, John, and I went through Nuke school in 62, this (from Wiki) is what we were told;

"Scram is usually cited as being an acronym for safety control rod axe man; however, the term is probably a backronym. The actual axe man at the first chain-reaction was Norman Hilberry. In a letter to Dr. Raymond Murray (January 21, 1981), Hilberry wrote:

When I showed up on the balcony on that December 2, 1942 afternoon, I was ushered to the balcony rail, handed a well sharpened fireman's axe and told, "if the safety rods fail to operate, cut that manila rope." The safety rods, needless to say, worked, the rope was not cut. I don't believe I have ever felt quite as foolish as I did then.  I did not get the SCRAM [Safety Control Rod Axe Man] story until many years after the fact. Then one day one of my fellows who had been on Zinn's construction crew called me Mr. Scram. I asked him, "How come?" And then the story.

In a May 17, 2011,  entry on the Nuclear Regulatory Commission's official blog, NRC historian Tom Wellock argues that this account is effectively an urban legend and arose many years after the event."



Posted By: Dr. Stan
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2018 at 2:25pm
Originally posted by Dantini Dantini wrote:

When Ron, John, and I went through Nuke school in 62, this (from Wiki) is what we were told;

"Scram is usually cited as being an acronym for safety control rod axe man;


I went through nuke school at Mare Island in 1962 and that is what I remember being told, as well.



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It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues.~Abe Lincoln
SS-393, SSBN-610(B), SSBN-624(G), SSN-591
USSVI Life Member; Holland Club; Plank Owner, Smoky Mtn. Base


Posted By: SaltiDawg
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2018 at 8:20pm
Still confused. Neither SL1 nor The current waste disposal site are at the navy site.  (Nor is Arco.)

And, come to think of it, I've never actually seen the air strip.  lol


Posted By: jack mcpherson
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 8:02am
Dam it I hate this but I have to do it everything changes I guess. I lived a lie for the two and a half
years I was stationed at NPTU West Milton. I guess that next I will find out that I didn't live at 310 cook
road in Galway which is about 10 miles from from the unit. I should have known there was something
wrong when I was there two years ago and they had closed off the road into the site and had a big sign
there that said K.A.P.L. (Knowles Atomic Power Laboratory). I guess they changed the name to Ballston Spa because nobody has ever heard of West Milton except locals. Ballston is about 20 miles from the site.
the site is actually located in West Milton.
YOU WERE RIGHT FORKLIFT!!



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jack mcpherson


Posted By: Sewer Pipe Snipe
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 8:38am
Holy smokes. Next thing you know you will say that the Navy really wasn't running nuke subs up the Hudson and then to the site thru a tunnel connecting the two for refueling? One cold and foggy night some low life MM used a wolf howl tape in an electronic crow call to tantalize the senses of those folks walking through the dark parking lot. Of course we were more sophisticated, we resided in the Springs near Skidmore. Even had a mineral spring right in our back yard. Accommodations were so high class, we were not even required to move out for the Harness season. Even had a garage for the bike. As I pass through on my yearly trip North, I often think about stopping and seeing what is still around. One of these days I might do it.

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Walt,
Had I done everything right throughout my life, the World wouldn't have noticed.


Posted By: Dr. Stan
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 10:22am
Originally posted by Sewer Pipe Snipe Sewer Pipe Snipe wrote:

As I pass through on my yearly trip North, I often think about stopping and seeing what is still around. One of these days I might do it.


I drove by MINSY back in '74, I think.  Drove to the housing area to see if the housing we lived in on Hemlock street was still there and found nothing left except some asphalt streets with weeds growing in them.  It was a weird experience.  Didn't attempt to go on base as I was in a hurry and I had an Army military ID at the time.



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It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues.~Abe Lincoln
SS-393, SSBN-610(B), SSBN-624(G), SSN-591
USSVI Life Member; Holland Club; Plank Owner, Smoky Mtn. Base


Posted By: FTGC(SS) Lane
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 12:55pm
Emmit you chewed on me for using "site" then you used the word to describe the same place.
Knolls Atomic Power Laboratory,
Kenneth A. Kesselring Site address is Ballston Spa. If you do not like it call the Navy and tell them they have it wrong. You are sounding like Dex complaining about submarine base no longer being listed as New London.


Posted By: jack mcpherson
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 1:51pm
no forklift I chewed on you for using the word prototype when referring to the site. Walt i spent many a good time in the lower bar of the Rip Van Damn with the skidmore girls and drank lots of beer at the Kaydyross (sp) Inn and Johns bar. We had to do something with the twelve hours we had off until the next shift.


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jack mcpherson



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