Recruitment
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Topic: Recruitment
Posted By: Sewer Pipe Snipe
Subject: Recruitment
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2018 at 9:11am
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The question about two crews, and the comments on three crews two ships, reflects modern society. One of the problems we had in the agricultural industry was recruiting and keeping engineers. Many of our procurement operations were out in the boondocks. Folks didn't want to live and raise families there. They wanted to be where the action was, where they could do everything, and have exposure to everything. They didn't want to have to work overtime, wanted maximum vacations and Holidays, and didn't enjoy the idea of working them on continuous run operations. I imagine it is also true in the Navy these days. That is why I think we are going to see a shift in deployments and quality of family life. The new folks, the ones that are any good at what they do, want to write their own ticket as to work and conditions. To recruit these folks, the military is going to have to rethink things. I believe I first saw it with the elite SEAL's. In Country they were referred to as tourists, because they had three month deployments. What all the reasons behind that were, I am not sure. However, retention was probably one of the reasons. As their stress load was equal to a Force Recon, LRRP, Combat Tracker and SOG. ------------- Walt, Had I done everything right throughout my life, the World wouldn't have noticed. |
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Posted By: c stafford
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2018 at 10:52am
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I have a problem with current recruiting. The Navy gives the impression that all E2's - E5's can have a wife, kids, and a new car on their monthly pay. In San Diego, there are wives complaining that they are on food stamps and can't afford clothes for their kids. San Diego is an expensive place to live. It is hard to recruit with expectations that do not meet reality. ------------- Chris USS Barbel, MM2(SS) USSVI Life Blueback Base, Life San Diego Base, Life Holland Club |
Posted By: Flapper
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2018 at 2:01pm
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Is there no current COLA equivalent? I got it in both San Diego and Oahu during the 60's and early 70's. E5/E6 at the time. Idaho, Groton didn't rate COLA, IIRC. ------------- ET1ss Nuke; 1962 - 1973. SSN-588, CVA-63, SSBN-629 BLUE, SSN-669 PLANKOWNER, FICPAC |
Posted By: SaltiDawg
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2018 at 2:29pm
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Nothings changed. Does not anyone recall the Zumwalt decrees? Six Section, In for the Weekends, return NLT Friday noon, U/W not earlier than 1200 Monday. (Or similar.) Two crews pre-dated him, while every swinging SS or SSN person on the river had an operating Tempo well North of 60% PLUS Three Section Duty for THE Crew. Avoid the in port for the weekend requirement by operating for either two weeks or three weeks. |
Posted By: SaltiDawg
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2018 at 2:34pm
And this is new? In 1981 before I left Cable, the ship had over 40 Sailors on Food Stamps in Charleston, SC, 25 of which were in my Department It was much worse in Washington, DC, and many if not most Enlisted and Officer left Mama behind and did an unaccompanied tour in DC.
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c stafford wrote:Posted By: Bob Gawe
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2018 at 6:01am
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A slight change of subject but following the same line, police agencies are having the same problem in recruiting officers. Far less people are applying for the profession. When I started the process you answered a small add in the classified section to get your name on the list for the written test. Over 5,000 took the written, then came physical, agility, interviews and background investigation. Thirty eight of us graduated the academy. Today there is a group in the department who go out and recruit at schools, adds basically begging for people. Few want to put up with the hardships of difficult positions. ------------- Bob Gawe |
Posted By: SaltiDawg
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2018 at 11:58am
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In 1969 I received a $15,000 Bonus for agreeing not to Resign for Four Years! That was a huge sum of money. It was that or tie up Submarines. (I had no intention of resigning, anyway.) In 2018 Dollars that $15,000 would equate to $104,438.34 -
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Posted By: SaltiDawg
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2018 at 12:44pm
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Re Police. In the 1960s you likely needed only a HS Diploma, and not always that was a firm requirement. Many, if not most, Police Departments in my part of the Country now require a Degree, usually at the bachelor level. The inflation based salary and benefits are higher now, however my intuition tells me that the personal risk of being shot at by some miscreant now is much greater! |
Posted By: FTGC(SS) Lane
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2018 at 8:40pm
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In 1973 as an E5 over 4 I had a brand new vehicle. Many of my shipmates did; except the goat locker, who all seemed to have 5 year old cars. In 1980 as an E6 over 11 with a wife and two children I qualified for food stamps. What is different between then and now?
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Posted By: Flapper
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 8:42pm
 ------------- ET1ss Nuke; 1962 - 1973. SSN-588, CVA-63, SSBN-629 BLUE, SSN-669 PLANKOWNER, FICPAC |
Posted By: FTGC(SS) Lane
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2018 at 10:08am
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In 1981 my gross monthly income went from $1,150 in September to $1,745 in October. |
Posted By: SaltiDawg
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2018 at 11:18am
At that time I was unable to sell my home in CHASN for $92K in part due to Mortgage Rates of 17-18%! (I had bought in 1979 for $92K.)
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Posted By: c stafford
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2018 at 12:42pm
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A person or family in San Diego must make over $131,000 a year to buy a median priced home. I don't know where the money is coming from, but houses are only on the market for a few weeks before being sold. And the rents are very expensive also. ------------- Chris USS Barbel, MM2(SS) USSVI Life Blueback Base, Life San Diego Base, Life Holland Club |
Posted By: Gil
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2018 at 12:08pm
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In '91 deals could still be had. My ex-girlfriend had moved to San Diego from Los Angeles. She rented a two bedroom 1250 square foot ten year old apartment on top of the hill in Solano Beach overlooking the Del Mar racetrack, From her kitchen you could see the 5 down south and from her bedroom you could see the 5 heading north. They wanted only $120K to buy it as a condo. Biggest mistake I or we ever made in not grapping that opportunity. Solano Beach is absolutely beautiful and I kick myself for not leaving Los Angeles then. I could of transferred to TRW in San Diego then, I think I would have just missed the financial bubble that Qualcomm offered in their boom then. This was just after that cult had committed suicide to ride on the comet in Santa Fe Springs. |