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Topic: Chief Petty Officer
Posted By: ELT627
Subject: Chief Petty Officer
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2021 at 12:55pm
| On April 1, 1893, Navy General Order 409 established the rank of chief petty officer. Today, we wish a Happy 126th Birthday to all our Navy Chiefs! |
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Posted By: SaltiDawg
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2021 at 1:40pm
| It was 1958 when E-8 and E-9 were created with the first selectees promoting to their respective grades in 1959 and 1960. |
Posted By: 610ET
Date Posted: 04 May 2021 at 2:00pm
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My dad was one of those. He was advanced to QMCS(SS) in 1959. These promotions were made off of the exam and the competition was fierce. If scheduled for promotion, CPO's were advanced to either SCPO or MCPO based on their time in service. So some guys went from E7 direct to E9. Hard chargers all. Dad went to PCU SSBN 598 as QM LCPO and shortly after arrival as COB. |
Posted By: SaltiDawg
Date Posted: 04 May 2021 at 4:20pm
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I forget. When did we cease calling all E-7/8/9 "Chief" and goto Chief, Senior Chief, and Master Chief? I believe it was not immediately. Kinda like when we stopped calling E-6 and below by their last name only. 
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Posted By: 610ET
Date Posted: 04 May 2021 at 6:20pm
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I got out 9/72 and it was still, Chief, for all three pay grades. Also still last name or command nick name for blue shirts.
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Posted By: FTGC(SS) Lane
Date Posted: 05 May 2021 at 6:57am
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Around 1980 the Navy went to using the formal titles, like the other branches. The last name/nickname remained for informal conversations. I called my Weps on Aspro by his nickname most of the time, until he left the boat. He pointed out that I only called him "Lieutenant" when I was pissed at him.
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Posted By: bflynn
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 2:52pm
Late 80s, last names were used and every chief was "Chief". Except that crazy guy in boot camp with the red cord on his uniform.
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SaltiDawg wrote:Posted By: Bgurls
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2021 at 8:26am
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Newly minted YNCM at SUBGRU 6 Staff told the Chief of Staff, when asked what to call him "Just call me MASTER!" ------------- SSR269,SS580(CO),SS582(XO),SSBN634,SSBN619,AS18(XO),SUBASE PH(XO),SUBSCHOOL(XO),SUBPAC(FLAG SEC),PERS42(DETAILER), CSS1(Chief Staff Officer)DAV(Life Member)VFW(Life Member) |
Posted By: Tom McNulty
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2021 at 9:29am
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Remember around 1970 where you were no longer an LPO but became a Work Center Supervisor. Liberty became a right. Prior to that all I remember was Chief ? and E6 and below called by last names or nicknames. In also believe once made COB the "Chief" was dropped and he became just COB. ------------- SSBN599B,SSBN600B,SSBN611G USNR Beaumont, TX, USSVI Life Member Mid Atlantic Base Holland Club |
Posted By: 610ET
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2021 at 11:09pm
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Hey Tom, I was NAV ET LPO for my last 3 patrols and left the boat 4/1971. Did that work center designation start at shore commands?
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Posted By: SaltiDawg
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2021 at 8:37am
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No, it came with a major revision to the 3M PMS system. In 1963 the Navy established the Planned Maintenance System. In the late 1960s and the 1970s the Boats I served on called the Division leading enlisted man as the LPO and the title of the head of the 3M system for the Division's Gear was the Work Center Supervisor. In my limited experience they were the same person, just different hats. |
Posted By: 610ET
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2021 at 8:47am
Yes, in my case I had both jobs but I don't recall the designation distinctions. Of course it was, ahem, awhile ago.
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Posted By: SaltiDawg
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2021 at 9:43am
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The distinction might be demonstrated by the fact that the LPO "ran" the Division - Quals, discipline, work distribution, signed "Chits" for Leave, out of bounds, etc, etc, etc. The Work Center Supervisor's responsibilities was exclusively the performance of and the deferral of PMS. The above is my own wording, I suspect those words could be improved on by a few of us here. |
Posted By: gerry
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2021 at 10:22am
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Got to my first boat in '86. We were in the yards in PNSY. I had "Chief Powers" as my Leading Chief Petty Officer (LCPO), and "MT1 Blankenship" was our LPO. The Work Center Supervisor was usually an MT2 in our division, and I got that honor for a couple of years (Us weapons weenies also had a maintenance system for the weapons system, called PMMP (preventative maintenance management plan). I ran that, they gave me 3M as an afterthought. Anyway, the point was we had a Leading Chief AND a Leading PO and neither did maintenance management. I *think* we had two LPOs because we were ramping up crew numbers preparing to split crews coming out of the yard. Missile Division was typically ~18 people, at that time we were around 25 and climbing. ------------- MT2/SS USS Simon Bolivar - SSBN 641 (B) USS Henry M. Jackson - SSBN 730 (B) USSVI - Wyoming Base |
Posted By: 610ET
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2021 at 9:00pm
Yes, "ran" as in following what and how Chief wanted it done. Some guys didn't get it and didn't want to be LPO. I saw it as win-win (however we phrased that back then.) It was a lot of "uncompensated" extra work but a great opportunity to acquire leadership experience either going forward USN or as a resume enhancer in the private sector Turned ou that neither of those became applicable in my case but the idea was still sound and I actually appreciated the experience the furthur away I got from it. Oh, and 3M was a bitch. |
Posted By: Runner485
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2021 at 9:15am
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When I left the navy in Feb of '64 the Chief of the Boat was just that name. I don't know when it changed to COB which I do like, as being short and sweet. Someone said that below E7, we used last names or nick names, which was how we addressed each other. I just think to refer to someone as petty officer so and so, or Senior Chief is so unnecessarily formal. I guess there is a reason for it, not sure I would understand it. ------------- DBF Joe SS485,CVA42 Holland Club Mid-Atlantic Base |
Posted By: 610ET
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2021 at 11:58am
It sounds unnatural but progress.....?
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Posted By: FTGC(SS) Lane
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2021 at 6:33pm
A lot changed in 20 years. Yes the Navy got more formal as it was deemed that the way you (and I) had been taught to address others was too informal. I do not know the "WHO" that made that decision. But I blame Tail Hook. In 1970 I learned it was COB, not the full "Chief of the Boat".
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Posted By: gerry
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2021 at 7:54pm
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1986, USS Simon Bolivar - My Chief, as mentioned above, we called "Chief". Off the boat, he was Eddie. Petty Officers we referred to by last name if there were O-gangers around or when speaking in the third-person, otherwise first names. The COB was "COB". we only had one SCPO on the crew, so he was "Senior", and our bull nuke was "Master Chief". 1990 USS Henry M. Jackson - Chief Jones, Petty Officer Smith, etc. around officers, or by last name if "alone". The "Trident" Navy was a lot more strict about that sort of thing while onboard. Off-ship it was first names, even for the Goats and a few JOs (except the COB, who was always "COB"). ------------- MT2/SS USS Simon Bolivar - SSBN 641 (B) USS Henry M. Jackson - SSBN 730 (B) USSVI - Wyoming Base |