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    Posted: 27 Apr 2017 at 5:54pm
https://www.navytimes.com/articles/chiefs-mess-meltdown-seven-chiefs-on-a-deployed-cruiser-go-to-mast

Where was the Command Master Chief? I can ask that question because I was in that Position on Stump DD078. I'm sure I would have known what was going on or heard something.

Also, as I have always maintained, it wouldn't have happened if they just were not there. Women on board ships (and gays) is stupidity and asking for problems.
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It happened because of lack of discipline and poor leadership. Good leaders can lead men, women, gay or straight. Your opinion is yours, but I find it ill-informed and bigoted.
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I guess DACOWITS never understood that males and females actually were sexually attracted to each other; especially the 18 to 30 year olds at their sexual peak.  I mean, who could have predicted such an unusual occurence??  Oh . . . wait.  Confused

Quote Retired Capt. Rick Hoffman, who commanded Hue City, said affairs on the deck plates can't be tolerated because breakups and jealousy start to take a toll on sailors' mission focus. Furthermore, it's virtually impossible to engage in discrete fraternization on board, which means sailors' trust in leadership will be affected, he said.

"I can't run a ship in combat that way," Hoffman said. "I can't go to war with high school [BS] going on behind my back. If you are having sex with a shipmate it will undermine my combat readiness, and I'll have to [deal with] anyone involved."


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Originally posted by Your opinion is yours, but I find it ill-informed and bigoted.[/QUOTE Your opinion is yours, but I find it ill-informed and bigoted.[/QUOTE wrote:

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My opinion is your naive having never dealt or lived with or


My opinion is your naive having never dealt or lived with or in that situation of women and gays on board ship. Get some experience then speak.
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Ain't it great how we're all getting along so much better now, seems like the 1930s I read about..... 


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Oooh, well I guess you sure told ME. You MUST be right, Master Chief, based on your personal experience. Maybe you were one of those ineffective leaders I referenced? No, no... you SURELY would have known what was going on, or heard something.  

Oh, wait... you did not give me permission to speak. My error.

Except, you don't know me, you don't know what my experiences are, and you certainly don't have the right to tell me when I may speak. GFY.


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When I put on the hat I knew that Chiefs were the adult leaders and knew better than crap like this. I guess those who came after I retired were not properly trained by those we Chiefs trained.
This was a failure of the senior enlisted community; not only on the Hue but of the whole Navy.

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This stuff was going on long before this. The Sanctuary, Hospital Ship, was one of the first with female enlisted in the seventies. They had the same problems, even an Officer / Enlisted relationship if memory is correct. Chiefs were also involved. Chief's initiations didn't make saints out of sinners by a long shot. Wearing the hat didn't make a good sailor out of a bad human. 
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I've said from the beginning that when I heard about females on ships that that would be a very, very bad thing. Has zippo to do with bad guy, good guy, mature senior PO or not you have horny testosterone laden males and overflowing estrogen in a tight space...It doesn't take rocket science to figure out what will happen next.
And for all you guys that might think otherwise...I was one of the horny young guys, and you guys that say no to this happening, you must have lost all of your past memories from your youth when you were at sea...tis a shame for sure. Cry
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Originally posted by Sewer Pipe Snipe Sewer Pipe Snipe wrote:

This stuff was going on long before this. The Sanctuary, Hospital Ship, was one of the first with female enlisted in the seventies. They had the same problems, even an Officer / Enlisted relationship if memory is correct. Chiefs were also involved. Chief's initiations didn't make saints out of sinners by a long shot. Wearing the hat didn't make a good sailor out of a bad human. 


All true, Walt.  Saints always do the right thing.  Humans, on the other hand, make mistakes and, sometimes, succumb to temptation.  We live in a probabilistic universe so when there is more temptation there will likely be a higher incidence of capitulation to it, all things being equal.  Less temptation = less sin.  Simple math.  Of course, more discipline would change that equation and that means better leadership and/or a harsher lash.  Or a change in the complement of the crew reducing the number of objects of temptation resulting in less friggin' in the riggin', as it were.

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