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    Posted: 13 Sep 2018 at 1:42pm
In a letter from SECNAV to Chairman Committee on Veterans Affairs, dtd. 17 Jun 2010, therein was a list of all the ships that were eligible to receive the Vietnam Service Medal, the A.F. Expeditionary Medal, and/or the Vietnamese PUC. There was a surprising number of submarines (61) on the list, including SSN's and a single SSBN.
 
Barb, SSN-596
Barbel, SS-580
Bashaw, AGSS-241
Baya, AGSS-318
Blackfin, SS-322
Blueback, SS-581
Bluegill, AGSS/SSK-242
Bonefish, SS-582
Bream, AGSS-243
Bugara, SS-331
Caiman, SS-323
Capitaine, AGSS-336
Carbonero, SS-337
Catfish, SS-339
Charr, SS-328
Cusk, SS-348
Diodon, SS-340
Gurnard, SS-662
Haddock, SS-621
Flasher, SS-249
Grayback, SS-574
Greenfish, SS-351
Greenlet, SS-213
Guardfish, SS-612
Gudgeon, SS-562
Harder, SS-568
Medregal, SS-480
Menhaden, SS-377
Redfish, SS-395
Remora, SS-487
Pickerel, SS-524
Plunger, SSN-595
Pogy, SSN-647
Pomfret, SS-301
Puffer, SSN-652
Queenfish, SS-393
Rasher, SS-296
Raton, AGSS-270
Sculpin, SSN-590
Seadragon, SSN-584
Seafox, SS-402
Segundo, SS-398
Shark, SSN-591
Rock, AGSS-274
Ronquil, SS-396
Sabalo, SS-302
Sailfish, S-572
Salmon, SS-573
Scamp, SSN588
Tecumseh, SSBN-628
Tiru, SS-416
Snook, SSN-592
Spinax, SS-489
Sterlet, SS-392
Swordfish, SSN579
Tang, SS-416
Tautog, SS-639
Trigger, SS-564
Tunny, APSS-282
Volador, SS-490
Wahoo, SS-565
 
Please forgive any fumble fingers on hull numbers.


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These crews are all called "Blue Water Viet Nam Veterans" as it pertains to any exposure to Agent Orange. If you actually set foot on the land you have "Boots on the Ground" and are presumed to having been exposed.

There is a battle going on in the Senate, as we speak, as to the VA recognizing our potential of having been Agent Orange exposed. How could we you ask? There have been tests done that show the AO chemical washed down the rivers and out to sea where most of our boats were making fresh water by evaporative stills. We have done tests to show that the AO chemical stayed in the water after our stills did their job.

If you are on Face Book or other sites look up Blue Water Navy or Viet Nam Vets.

I personally have had Prostate surgery and Prostate cancer is high on the list of things AO will or has done to you.

We all need to educate ourselves on this.
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I was on all of Puffer's Vietnam trips.
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I don't know why the Queenfish, SS-393, would be on the list?  I qualified on the Queenfish on 15 April 1962 and although she had returned from a WestPac cruise in 1961, as far as I know she never had anything to do with Viet Nam during that time.  It is, I suppose, possible that she operated in the Viet Nam theater sometime between July 1962 and Aug. 1963, but, I doubt it.  I know for a certainty that she had nothing to do with Viet Nam whatsoever after Aug. 1963 because she was . . .
Quote . . . sunk as a target by the nuclear-powered submarine Swordfish (SSN-579) on 14 August 1963.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Queenfish_(SS-393)
http://www.queenfish.org/noframes/393.html


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My ship was in Vietnam waters 1965 and 1967, but I think it was just before they started spraying AO. 1965 definitely before. I do know people who were affected by AO, but they were in country for a lot longer than I.
 
My total time, boots on the ground, if you added up all the times, was probably less than 6 hours.
 
 
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Originally posted by Dr. Stan Dr. Stan wrote:

I don't know why the Queenfish, SS-393, would be on the list?


Good question. IAW OPNAVNOTE 1650 Queenfish SS 393 was awarded the Vietnam Service Medal for 15 - 18 Mar '68 and 13 - 17 Jun '68; some five years after decommissioning. I wonder if those dates were for Queenfish SSN 651.
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Tecumseh is not on the OPNAVNOTE 1650 list for receiving a Vietnam Service medal.

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WASHINGTON — Veterans Affairs leaders are increasing their efforts to sideline legislation that would extend disability benefits to “blue water” veterans from the Vietnam War, saying the move would set a problematic precedent for future complaints.

“We know it is incredibly difficult to hear from Blue Water Veterans who are ailing and ill, and we have great empathy and compassion for these veterans and their families,” VA Secretary Robert Wilkie wrote in a letter to the Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committee last week.

“However, we urge the committee to consider the scientific evidence, impact on other veterans, and costs associated with this legislation.”

The legislation, passed overwhelmingly by the House in June, would grant presumptive exposure status to nearly 90,000 veterans who served in ships off the coast of Vietnam during the war.
New ‘blue water veterans’ deal could mean benefits for 90,000 Vietnam War troops
New ‘blue water veterans’ deal could mean benefits for 90,000 Vietnam War troops

Paying for disability benefits of the Vietnam War veterans would be covered by a new VA home loan fee.
By: Leo Shane III

Veterans who served on the ground or on ships traveling inland waterways are already given that presumption of exposure to Agent Orange, fast-tracking their disability claims for a host of cancers and rare illnesses connected to the chemical defoliant.

Advocates have argued that individuals who served on the seas just a few miles away deserve the same treatment.

But VA officials have argued that the scientific-based methods they use on such cases doesn’t back up the blue water veterans requests. In their letter last week and at a Senate hearing last month, they argued the presence of Agent Orange on those ships “cannot reasonably be determined” and the presumption of exposure should not be automatically granted.

Veterans who develop the illnesses can receive medical treatment from VA regardless of their benefits status, and can still file to prove their sickness is connected to their military service.

But the elderly veterans say VA has systematically denied any connection between their health and the chemical exposure for decades, even as they develop health problems that mirror veterans who served on shore.

Wilkie also argued that the proposed funding for the resulting influx of new claims — a new fee of VA-backed home loans — is unfair for other veterans and insufficient to cover the expected costs.

House officials had estimated the new fee would generate about $1.1 billion over 10 years, enough to pay for the blue water benefits. But Wilkie in his letter estimates the cost to be closer to $5.5 billion, including thousands more veterans who could also receive eligibility and additional costs for staff to handle the claims.

“The changes proposed in this legislation will have a greater effect beyond what we believe Congress intends,” Wilkie wrote.

“The creation of a new statutory presumption that is not adequately supported by scientific evidence will encourage increased pressure on both Congress and VA to create and expand additional presumptions under a similarly liberal approach.”

Wilkie’s stance is at odds with his predecessor, former VA Secretary David Shulkin, who last fall stated that the blue water veterans “shouldn’t be waiting any longer” for a solution and said that a reasonable decision on the issue “will not be guided by scientific evidence” because of the decades that have passed since the potential exposure.

Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committee officials have not made any public announcements on when the legislation may move ahead. House Veterans’ Affairs Committee ranking member Tim Walz, D-Minn., called the latest VA opposition to the issue unacceptable.

“Now, Blue Water Navy veterans who have been stuck waiting for 40 years could be left waiting even longer,” he said. “Our nation owes it to these veterans to get this done.

“I will continue to work with my colleagues on both sides of the aisle and in both chambers to make sure that happens, even if we have to drag the administration along kicking and screaming to do so.”

If Congress fails to pass any legislation on the issue this year, VA could still be forced to award the benefits to blue water Vietnam veterans based on an ongoing lawsuit in federal court. Arguments on that proceeding aren’t expected to move forward until later this year.

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"But the elderly veterans say VA has systematically denied any connection between their health and the chemical exposure for decades, even as they develop health problems that mirror veterans who served on shore."

There is a possible alternate explanation for this.


Edited by SaltiDawg - 17 Sep 2018 at 1:40pm
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