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crystal 
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 Topic: History of the Tolling of the Boats?Posted: 05 Apr 2016 at 7:00am |
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The PAO of Gru 9 out here has contacted us to "participate" in their Tolling ceremony on May 26th. My question is: did this ceremony start with the WWII vets, USSVI or the active duty Navy??? It's almost like the ceremony has been hijacked by the wrong crowd albeit with the best of intentions...
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SS-349, SSN-580, SSBN-640, CVA-59, SS-410, LPSS-315, CVA-61, Subase Pearl Harbor
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Posted: 06 Apr 2016 at 5:16am |
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From the USSVI Memorials and Ceremonies Manual:
The "Tolling the Boats" ceremony was originally established by the U.S. Submarine Veterans of World War II. It is a unique and time-honored memorial service and is in keeping with the finest traditions of the Navy. Custom has established that this ceremony be formal, and it honors the memory of those submariners who lost their lives n the line of duty, and especially those who perished during World War II. In the heart of the ceremony the names of each of the U.S. submarines lost, along with the fate of its crew, are read aloud as a bell is tolled for each in turn. |
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Posted: 22 Apr 2016 at 7:06pm |
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Thanks Tom. I knew all this so I guess I was just looking for confirmation. It seems ComSubLant and probably ComSubPac have their own script for which boats count and it differs from what we use as to criteria. USSVI now counts 65 boats for before, during and after WWII. Our WWII shipmates counted at 52 for those boats that were lost DURING WWII. There are just two criteria to meet the requirements of being counted... Number one, the BOAT had to have been lost even if there was NO loss of life involved. Number two, the boat had to have been IN COMMISSION at the time of it's loss. Anything that doesn't meet these two requirements, means the boat (crew etc.) should not be listed...
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Posted: 26 Apr 2016 at 3:14pm |
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Chief, that picture you took of the sailor in whites is a classic. Thanks.
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Thanks Dave! Right time, right place... Dedication ceremonies of Deterrent Park, Bangor, WA - the Woodrow Wilson sail and the most recently qualified gent to ring the bell...
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Not to start a controversy but Tolling of the Boats without loss of life indicates the "Boats" have a soul. I have never likes the ceremony for that reason. I have a large case full of small wooden boats and a votive candle is lit behind each one. As the boat number is read, the candle is extinguished and the bell tolled. Very moving except (IMHO) for the boats without any loss of life.
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I deleted post.
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Posted: 02 May 2016 at 11:13am |
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Dave's right. That's a great photo . . .
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Posted: 02 May 2016 at 5:15pm |
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IMHO, any commissioned U.S. submarine with lost of life would be included.
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